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> Horse Bucking Rider Off/Bucking

"The auction was probably the only answer for him now warning any bidders that he had a problem with occasionally throwing a fit for no reason and trying to get his rider off"

 
 

Dear Keith...

Friday, December 29, 2006

We sold a gorgeous 8 year old purebred Holsteiner gelding 3 months ago to a very experienced rider who was sure she could work though the problems we were having with him. We are both baffled why this otherwise "good" horse seems to blow up for no apparent reason. She seemed to be getting along successfully with Legend on trails, beginning jump training, riding in an indoor arena with other horses until this tragic setback.This is her letter: D, Legend went with me to his first lesson at my trainers last Friday. Unfortunately, It didn't go very well at all. As you know, I have been riding Legend on a regular basis and I felt that we had worked past the dangerous bucking/rearing issues he had. However, when we arrived at my trainers for his first lesson, I only made it 3/4 of the way around the ring, and he let loose with a bucking spree that was just as bad as the very first time I tried to ride him. He tried to rear and flip over on me- the whole thing. I didn't get bucked off, and I am not hurt- neither is Legend- but my trainer was very upset that the horse had bucked in such a determined and mean way. I got off, and my trainer used ground driving (long) reins on Legend, but Legend reared and bucked and even flipped over onto the ground. Even after such a dramatic event, Legend would NOT become submissive and work-like at all. My trainer has asked me not to bring him up again as he believes it is too unsafe for me to continue riding this horse. I cannot continue with Legend due to my trainers, my husbands and now my- concern about his safeness as a riding horse. At this point I only have two options for Legend. One is to offer you an opportunity to take Legend back. The other is to sell him at auction as an un-ridable/un-safe horse. I had hoped to be able to work beyond the issues that Legend has. Against my hopes, I have not been able to do so. I have waited to write you until after the holiday, but I am eager to resolve this issue. If you do wish to take Legend back, will you let me know at your earliest convenience, as I am planning on putting him in an auction in mid -January. Sincerely, L We called her right away and agreed we couldn't take him back and that the auction was probably the only answer for him now warning any bidders that he had a problem with occasionally throwing a fit for no reason and trying to get his rider off. It doesn't appeart to be out of pain or fear, but simply a temper tantrum. We bred and raised this horse and he never has had any traumatic experience or abuse. We have had his mother (a TB), his half brother (TB who became an awesome jumper), his half sister (anglo arab) and his neice (my wonderful TB, Holsteiner, Arab). None of these had these problems. D

 

 

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You sent an email to me (here at Horsemanship101.com) detailing a situation with your horse. I wanted to let you know that I've recently posted several hundred of the letters sent to me – and have taken my best shot at pointing folks towards a relevant answer. I've removed last names – but if you would like your letter removed from the site, simply let me know. However, I've posted them for a simple reason: You'd be amazed at how many people run across the same issue. I'm thinking that helping one person will help many others. This is a synopsis of the question you sent: "The auction was probably the only answer for him now warning any bidders that he had a problem with occasionally throwing a fit for no reason and trying to get his rider off" In most cases, I have not answered the letter in the traditional sense. This is because there simply aren't enough hours in the day – but also because most issues (emailed to me) are not things that can be answered in a simple email. It wouldn't be fair to you or your horse. There are thousands of books and videos already produced offering detailed suggestions of how to deal with problem horses – and I believe that people are best served by knowing which book is right – as opposed to a one paragraph, quickie answer. Whenever possible, I've suggested relevant articles – but in every case I've suggested books or videos which address your particular issue as well as related topics you might want to consider. (That is, if you wrote about "biting" you may also want to follow remedies simply labeled "manners" in a book or video. It's sometimes hard for the "public at large" to know which is right for what situation.) The bottom line is this: While you will not find a long-winded how-to answer from me, you may in fact find a relevant article I've posted since your last visit – and you'll certainly find the right book or video. Here is where you will find your particular letter: http://www.horsemanship101.com/Letters/Horse-Bucking-Rider-Off-138.html. Simply cut and paste that address into your browser. (You'll need to make sure that you include the entire URL if your email program splits it onto two lines – and that there are no blank spaces if you do have to join two lines.) Regards, Keith Hosman horsemanship101.com P.S. Those of you who wrote about a bucking horse may want to check out the e-doc I recently put together; you print it out from your own computer and can be training in minutes. More info is here: http://www.horsemanship101.com/Bucking.

 

 

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Hi Keith, The "Legend" story has a happy ending. The girl who bought him did put him in the auction and a lady bought him for $250. The only other bidder was the "meat buyer." The lady buyer knew she bought a problem, but had the experience and background to deal with him. She went back to lots of groundwork, even though he had had lots in the past, but her secret was consistency. When she started riding him, she had the help of 2 other experienced younger friends who weren't afraid of rearing and bucking. One was a dressage rider and the other a three day event rider and they started him in a ring with someone on the ground with a whip to drive him forward if he tried anything. She analyzed his problem as a reluctance to move forward. I'll attach some of her letters. After several months of very CONSISTENT work with somedays all three women working him most of the day, they put him in a schooling show and he won 1st place in jumping and I believe 3rd in dressage! Hello Buckinghams! Lorina gave me your email address as the former owners of Christmas Legend. Thought I’d update you on his progress. First, he’s now called Chaucer. I bought him at auction in January—when I heard Laurina, who I know from the University of Oregon, was giving up on him I offered to buy him from her but she was worried that I would get hurt (she was truly scared of him) so said no. I figured she’d take him to the auction so showed up (a big leap on my part as I’d never seen the horse) and rescued him from the meat packers (the only person who bid on him besides me—Chaucer was pretty upset and so looked very unmanageable). I thought he deserved one more chance AND I have a niece and two friends who said they’d help wear him down. Much to my surprise, Chaucer was totally friendly from the ground—a big puppy dog, kind of a goof. I decided to do at least a month of intensive ground work with him before we started riding. Knowing his history, we figured that keeping his respect from the ground would pay off riding. After a month, we took things rather slowly, mainly hacking, bending, and working on rhythm of gaits. Trailered him places with the other horses, rode him inside and outside, lunged him over small fences, all easy stuff. We ride him in a heavy fat snaffle and no draw reins/martingale or tie down and at first he did a lot of head tossing but that slowly stopped—now it only happens when he gets frustrated. In April we started jumping him and asking him to do more. He was squirrely over fences, sometimes almost out of control, and more resistant in general. We had slacked off on ground work, which proved a mistake, as Chaucer started bucking and rearing and generally being a pain in the ass. We didn’t back off, though, just started doing ground work in earnest, along with riding him. I see all of his behavior problems as a refusal to go forward so we just basically kicked him forward no matter what he did. About two weeks ago things started coming together. He’s not out of control going over fences—actually pays attention 80% of the time. His dressage is coming along, too, he bends nicely in both directions, can move in a straight line!, and is working towards being on the bit (not there but maybe in a couple months). In general, he’s been a quite difficult horse to ride, but very loveable horse to handle. Chaucer is a big goof and we remind ourselves that he’s pretty old to have to start all over again. We see glimmers of past training—it’s obvious that someone has done work with him—and hope that age is maturing him so that this time the training will stick. He is a powerful mover so fun to ride and lovely to watch. I’d love to hear all about his early life. When was he born, for instance? Did you own the mare? What kind of training has he received over the years? Did he fall asleep when you tied him up (he’s done that five or six times and fallen over)? Laurina says you were mostly interested in trail riding him, which we also do. He is not a good lead horse but settles in nicely among other horses. While not a beautiful horse standing still, as I mentioned, he is quite lovely when moving. I think his skill, if he proves to be as talented with a rider over fences as he is free jumping, will be in combined training. That horse has unbelievable stamina—one week when we were having the most difficulties we rode him three hours day—kind of a tag team riding approach—and he was still ready to go when we were exhausted. Sorry this went on for so long. Just meant to say that your horse seems to be doing ok. His first show is this weekend so keep your fingers crossed. Ellen Hi Dori, Well Chaucer had a successful weekend, at least as far as the jumping went. Mind you, this was a little schooling show with fences no higher than 2'9" but he won high point in jumping!! He was so calm--we couldn't have been more pleased. I will send you photos once I get them downloaded. For the two dressage tests, which happened first thing, he was a little spooked. The dressage arena was beside a field with sheep and most of the horses (except the ones from that barn, naturally) were a tad freaked out. The second test went a little better and he placed fifth. Again, not bad for a first effort. Ellen Hi Dori, I ride dressage and teach a little. Used to event and ride hunters and put myself through grad school coaching and training horses but am now 55 and do only dressage, plus a little jumping and teaching (mainly for friends as I got tired of dealing with dilettante riders). Chaucer is being jumped by a friend, Marcie, who, along with my niece is around 30. Marcie rides eventers, Rose rides dressage. We don't work with professional trainers--other than taking horses to the occasional clinic--don't really need to, pretty much know what we're doing in that I've handled thoroughbreds for most of my life and discuss everything with Marcie/Rose as they've worked with the horses. Both of them are more than competent riders, not afraid of buckers/rearers but not stupid enough to try to handle problems on their own. Chaucer has been to two clinics with a woman who comes down every other month from Seattle. We took him after we'd ridden him for a month and then brought him back two months later so she's tracking his progress along with us. She rides warmbloods so has given us suggestions on dealing with his behavior. It all seems to be working well. Cross your fingers. Ellen Hi Dori, Chaucer has not reverted back to his evil side (yet). We are very close to having him canter a complete course calmly. He is relaxing more and more at the trot--has developed an even stride and is stretching down and should be truly on the bit within the next couple months. Here is a picture of Marcie jumping him. I still don't have the pictures from the show. We will be going to another show either in October or November and will keep you up-to-date on how he does. Ellen

 
 
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